<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Kevin,<div><br></div><div>Welcome, </div><div><br></div><div>A couple of points (in-line)</div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>1) Defeat unwanted zones on a time basis.<br><br>I've yet to test this theory, but I reckon a small heat source attached to<br>a TRV will cause it to close, or at least reduce the set temperature<br>significantly enough to be useful. The TRV4 has a large metal bulb as its'<br>sensing element, meaning that a resistor could be coupled with it quite<br>easily and very, very cheaply to apply a little heat. Feed this from a<br>timeswitch and we have a cheap and easy if crude solution to, for example,<br>avoid heating the lounge in the morning when it will not be used until the<br>evening. How to achieve this with a good WAF might need further study!<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>2) Control zones using an in-room "smart" device<br><br>Pretty much what's proposed here. I came across the Eberle TS 5.11 in<br>Conrad. It's a thermoelectric replacement TRV head operated by mains power<br>(although I believe lower voltage variants are around). Each room would<br>have temperature and occupancy detection and a heating schedule, with<br>set-back or "comfort" temperatures selected accordingly. I have mains<br>power near every radiator I want to control, so energy use of the head is<br>not an issue. I'd mused on intercepting the burglar alarm PIR circuits to<br>glean occupancy information. Obviously OK on a one-off basis but not<br>likely to appeal for a "consumer" product!<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This approach whilst valid, has the drawback that you need to power the resistor for all the time you want the zone disabled.</div><div><br></div><div>For this reason our focus is very much on TRV replacements that have a motor to drive the pin within the valve head.</div><div><br></div><div>Take a look at my blog for an example of such a unit (which I've then disassembled)</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://opentrv.homelabs.org.uk/">http://opentrv.homelabs.org.uk/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Stuart</div></div></div></body></html>