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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The problem for HAB is that for
      receive-only (as is usual for groundstations) the vast majority of
      people are using software defined radio platforms or communication
      receivers, neither of which can receive LoRA because it is a
      proprietary spread-spectrum scheme.  Currently, the _only_ way you
      can receive a LoRA transmission is using a real Semtech radio.<br>
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      Mike<br>
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      On 03/01/16 14:09, Bo Herrmannsen wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">yep i figured that last night.... 
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        <div>the arguement was that it  was not as open as FSK mode
          was... i cant see why they have some much against it... </div>
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        <div>but oh well, i think they will figure it if LoRa becomes
          the standard for small sensors</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2016-01-03 14:44 GMT+01:00 Mike
          Stirling <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              <div>Some (e.g. daveack) have used it for tracking as an
                alternative to RTTY.  I don't think they're using it for
                <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ukhas.net"
                  target="_blank">ukhas.net</a>, which is probably what
                James meant.<br>
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                On 02/01/16 20:51, Bo Herrmannsen wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">Hi mike....
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                  <div>have been thinking... you say that the HAB guys
                    use the LoRa radio... are you sure about that? was
                    on an IRC chat and james said that they have
                    rejected it on the grounds that its not open source</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-31 11:20 GMT+01:00
                    Mike Stirling <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                        <div>Hi Bo,<br>
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                          The MAC layer (LoRAWAN), which I think Jeremy
                          is referring to, is a public spec, but the
                          underlying modulation is not.  You can
                          therefore currently only implement a LoRA
                          system using one of Semtech's radios or a
                          module based on their IP (e.g. Microchip). 
                          The modulation is some sort of chirp spread
                          spectrum system so is non-trivial to reverse
                          engineer, but efforts are ongoing in the
                          community.  Once that happens it would be
                          possible to implement the physical layer in a
                          software radio if that's what you want.<br>
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                          Note that you can use a LoRA radio without the
                          LoRAWAN MAC (as the HAB guys currently do). 
                          In this case it just becomes a proprietary
                          data pipe like the RFM22B or RFM12, but with
                          longer range.<br>
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                          Mike<br>
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                          On 29/12/15 10:03, Jeremy Poulter wrote:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">From what I understand there is
                            a component that is signed and you can not
                            change it but I believe the source will be
                            available at some point. This is the
                            component that deals with the time slicing
                            and transmitting so you can not send more
                            than you are supposed to.
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On 28 December 2015
                              at 13:37, Bo Herrmannsen <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                <div dir="ltr">Hi
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                                  <div>on the topic of using LoRa i have
                                    been told that parts of it are
                                    closed source in the way that you
                                    send data off by AT commands and
                                    then "magic" happens</div>
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                                  <div>Have i been told wrong?</div>
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