<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The only Radbot that currently exists as stock is Radbot 2.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you want to do the comms you’d need to associate the ID (at the hub/controller) and have the same key set for all the devices to be listened to and in the things listening:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> <a href="https://github.com/opentrv/OTWiki/wiki/Command-Line-Interface" class="">https://github.com/opentrv/OTWiki/wiki/Command-Line-Interface</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In practice that means that you’d need to create a secret key, put it in the Radbot(s), and in the hub/controller, and associate the Radbot IDs at the hub/controller.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The left-most pad is +ve (next to the +ve battery spring) and the right-most is -ve (0V/GND). I realise that you could probably make a temporary arrangement easier with crocs on the battery springs, then only the RX and TX pads need something held to them.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The two pads next to the +ve pad are RX and TX. There’s no secret here: I’m just reading this off the board.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rgds</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Damon</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 Nov 2020, at 18:47, Gary Gladman <<a href="mailto:gary.gladman@talktalk.net" class="">gary.gladman@talktalk.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So to be clear Radbot and Radbot 2 are the very same thing even though they are both described as Radbot?</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Still unclear how this connection is to be achieved – any detailed photos of your setup to clue the less knowledgeable of us in?</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Luckily I have a REV2 but when I attempted to use it as a stats hub it saw nothing. Attempts to further diagnose also saw nothing. I know the REV2 I have is not broken. I am pretty convinced that I have enough Radbots that one of them must be successfully transmitting. Clearly I am doing something wrong/not understanding.</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Can you be more prescriptive/descriptive about what you had to do to get this setup working as obviously I am missing something?</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Having tried to submit fixes etc to OpenTRV and had no success I struggle with “nothing stops others ...” – something clearly is stopping me – any help would be appreciated?</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Regards Gary<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sent from my fingers.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; border: none; padding: 0cm;" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:dhd@exnet.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Damon Hart-Davis</a><br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>14 November 2020 17:58<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:gary.gladman@talktalk.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Gary Gladman</a><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:dhd@exnet.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Damon Hart-Davis</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:opentrv-dev@lists.opentrv.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Closed list for developer discussions</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [OpenTRV-dev] Dongle</div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Radbot 2 is the thing that is in stock and you can buy now from Amazon or direct from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://radbot.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">radbot.com</a>.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The serial port is on those pads above the battery contacts. We haven’t published a dongle 3D design but it’s nothing magic. If all you needed to do was to talk to the CLI to load in a new key then you would only need 4 contacts (0, Vcc, TX, RX) long enough to do that, so something bodged should do.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Look on<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://github.com/opentrv" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">github.com/opentrv</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>for the hub and boiler controller designs, which are fully published (h/w and s/w), eg I’m using a REV10 for boiler control:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://github.com/opentrv/OpenTRV-Arduino-V0p2/tree/master/Arduino/hardware/REV10" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://github.com/opentrv/OpenTRV-Arduino-V0p2/tree/master/Arduino/hardware/REV10</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">and a REV2 for my stats hub (being listened to by the also-published Java running on a RPi):<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <a href="https://github.com/opentrv/OpenTRV-Arduino-V0p2/tree/master/Arduino/hardware/REV2" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://github.com/opentrv/OpenTRV-Arduino-V0p2/tree/master/Arduino/hardware/REV2</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We’ll probably still get to ARM, as part of const-reduction work. I think I can categorically state that it won’t be an M1!<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The radio will be useful for some commercial applications but not for many domestic uses. So we have a choice whether we build and support 1 or 2 SKUs (product lines) for example.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">At the moment most of our energies are going into getting sales, eg as part of GHG and ECO3. If Vestemi is successful and generating revenues then potentially more TLC can be spent on OpenTRV. Nothing stops others contributing to OpenTRV regardless.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Rgds<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Damon<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 14 Nov 2020, at 17:40, Gary Gladman <<a href="mailto:gary.gladman@talktalk.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gary.gladman@talktalk.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I watched your presentation (<a href="http://www.earth.org.uk/smart-radiator-valves-talk-20201112.html" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.earth.org.uk/smart-radiator-valves-talk-20201112.html</a>) with great interest.</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">You mention several topics - Radbot 2, access to the serial connection, JSON stats receivable by the OpenTRV stats hub and boiler controller.</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Would it be possible to expand?</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What is Radbot 2 as opposed to Radbot? When is it due to become available?</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">How is access to the serial port acheived and/or does it involve an unavailable "Dongle"?</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Is this also true for Radbot?</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">How would an "OpenTRV stats hub and boiler controller" be obtained?</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What happened to Arm as a solution?</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What is the point of the radio interface in Radbot if supplementary commercial access does not also exist?</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Activity on OpenTRV seems to have practically ceased. The benevolent dictator approach seems to have ensured stability BUT also that further progress being made is unlikely without something changing. What is your view?</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I apologise if I have misunderstood anything but information on any front seems incredibly scarce and gas been for a long time.</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Regards</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Gary</div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 20 April 2019 at 09:07 Damon Hart-Davis <<a href="mailto:dhd@exnet.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">dhd@exnet.com</a>> wrote:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Hi,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">At the moment we don’t have any spares that I’m aware of.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Rgds<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Damon<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 18 Apr 2019, at 13:22, Gary Gladman <<a href="mailto:gary.gladman@talktalk.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gary.gladman@talktalk.net</a>> wrote:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On the interest list the "Dongle" was mentioned.<br class=""><br class="">Would it be possible to obtain one?</div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">OpenTRV-dev mailing list<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><a href="mailto:OpenTRV-dev@lists.opentrv.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">OpenTRV-dev@lists.opentrv.org.uk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><a href="http://lists.opentrv.org.uk/listinfo/opentrv-dev" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://lists.opentrv.org.uk/listinfo/opentrv-dev</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></blockquote><p class="default-style" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br class=""> </p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">OpenTRV-dev mailing list<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><a href="mailto:OpenTRV-dev@lists.opentrv.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">OpenTRV-dev@lists.opentrv.org.uk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><a href="http://lists.opentrv.org.uk/listinfo/opentrv-dev" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://lists.opentrv.org.uk/listinfo/opentrv-dev</a></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>