<div dir="ltr">hmm... just because i dont know, but are there gas central heating units that also have build in eletric heating? if so that would be ideal<div><br></div><div>i only have an obscured view in my head that most british homes are SMALL compared to what here in denmark at the same price level...</div><div><br></div><div>our flat as example... 87 square meters take a bit off for the different closets etc... but roughly we pay 480£ a month, this even includes the garage if not it would have been 30£ lower...</div><div><br></div><div>but here the space is limited to one utility closet.... and we are not allowed to change anything there anyway...</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-08 14:00 GMT+02:00 Graeme Radtke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:graeme.radtke@outlook.com" target="_blank">graeme.radtke@outlook.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr">Surely the ImmerSun and equivalents like the SolariBoost and SOLic 200, etc are just controllers - that redirect the excess power to other devices using "intelligent" monitoring of the generated power vs consumption in line with a schedule and, in some cases, feedback from the heater. The efficiency of the use of that power, is dependant on the devices that the power is directed to and how it is then stored and used. So in-of-itself, the controller is not the unethical device. Some are better than others, and unfortunately, that tends to be reflected in the price.<div>Ideally, I would store the power, rather than convert it to heat and store that, but the costs, complexity and space needs of power storage necessitate other options. </div><div>I work from home during the day and tend to use high consumption devices like the dishwasher and tumble dryer at peak generation times for my PV system, and when I remember, I manually switch on the immersion heater to heat my hot water rather than paying for gas to do so. I'd like to automate that process, and also consider a way of relieving my gas central heating of some of its burden. Storage heaters along with a controller like these examples seem to be the obvious solution to me.<br><div><br></div><div>Graeme</div><div><br><br><div>> From: <a href="mailto:dhd@exnet.com" target="_blank">dhd@exnet.com</a><br>> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 12:15:38 +0100<br>> To: <a href="mailto:opentrv-interest@lists.opentrv.org.uk" target="_blank">opentrv-interest@lists.opentrv.org.uk</a><br>> CC: <a href="mailto:opentrv-dev@lists.opentrv.org.uk" target="_blank">opentrv-dev@lists.opentrv.org.uk</a><br>> Subject: Re: [OpenTRV-interest] [OpenTRV-dev] Storage heating, dynamic demand, and OpenTRV<br>> <br>> Hi,<br>> <br>> But I regard that (ImmerSun et al) as borderline unethical on its own, because mindless bulk conversion of electricity to heat via resistance heating is a shocking waste of valuable exergy.<br>> <br>> But you’ll see that I’m treading an awfully fine line myself.<br>> <br>> Rgds<br>> <br>> Damon<br>> <br>> <br>> On 8 Sep 2014, at 11:52, Graeme Radtke <<a href="mailto:graeme.radtke@outlook.com" target="_blank">graeme.radtke@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> > I have recently been looking into a number of commercial products that claim to reduce exported power to almost nil. For example: <a href="http://www.immersun.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.immersun.co.uk/</a> which diverts your excess generation into the immersion heater and/or storage heaters and under-floor heating. <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > OpenTRV-interest mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:OpenTRV-interest@lists.opentrv.org.uk" target="_blank">OpenTRV-interest@lists.opentrv.org.uk</a><br>> > <a href="http://lists.opentrv.org.uk/listinfo/opentrv-interest" target="_blank">http://lists.opentrv.org.uk/listinfo/opentrv-interest</a><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> OpenTRV-interest mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:OpenTRV-interest@lists.opentrv.org.uk" target="_blank">OpenTRV-interest@lists.opentrv.org.uk</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.opentrv.org.uk/listinfo/opentrv-interest" target="_blank">http://lists.opentrv.org.uk/listinfo/opentrv-interest</a><br></div></div></div> </div></div>
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