[OpenTRV-dev] I2CEXT connector second pass: comments please.

[Richard Chilton]

Do you mean RTS on the FTDI cable and does that mean there is still a full FTDI header on the new design?

It's probably not an issue, but be aware that some FTDI cables supply regulated 3v3 on VCC line.



On 8 Sep 2014, at 19:34, Damon Hart-Davis <EMAIL ADDRESS HIDDEN> wrote:

> RESET would be driven from RTS via a cap as usual for Arduino-like bootloadable boards.
> 
> We don’t need no stinkin’ flow control.
> 
> We could supply 3V3 (ie main board power) from the FTDI via a local reg.
> 
> Rgds
> 
> Damon
> 
> On 8 Sep 2014, at 16:35, Richard Chilton <EMAIL ADDRESS HIDDEN> wrote:
> 
>> This picture may help visualise. When connected the FTDI would be horizontal with only Rx, Tx, and GND connected, so flow control and reset go out the window.
>> 
>> MISO * .. * 3V3 (Vcc)
>> SCK * .. * MOSI
>> nRST * .. * GND
>> nIRQ * .. * nSC
>> SCL * .. * SDA
>> RX * .. * TX .. .. .. GND
>> N/C * .. * DQ
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 Sep 2014, at 16:16, Damon Hart-Davis <EMAIL ADDRESS HIDDEN> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’ll see if that makes Bo cry, but I think he was suggesting something vaguely similar…  Would be nice if it can work (I’m not able to see in my head what you mean at the moment.)
>>> 
>>> Rgds
>>> 
>>> Damon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2014, at 15:41, Richard Chilton <EMAIL ADDRESS HIDDEN> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If you add an optionally fitted ground pin that lies 0.3 inch east of Tx, you could get an FTDI cable on there when there was no shield installed. Possibly a crazy idea, I've not had coffee yet this morning!
>>>> 
>>>> The rest looks a sensible approach to exposing an interface en masse to shield or ribbon cable for development purposes.
>>>> 
>>>> No other useful feedback, one piece of pedantry though: 14 way is 2x7, not 2x6 
>>>> 
>>>> -- Rich.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 4 Sep 2014, at 21:12, Damon Hart-Davis <EMAIL ADDRESS HIDDEN> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> OK, thank you for feedback so far dear opentrv-dev!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is a second go.  Didn’t have quite the energy/time I was hoping for this evening!
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is checked into the public repo under docs, BTW...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2014/09/03: Revision 1, 12-pin connector
>>>>> 2014/09/04: Revision 2, 14-pin connector, added nINT and nSC2 after dev mailing list suggestions
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aim:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Trying to develop a simple I/O extension/shield system for OpenTRV to add more sensors (etc) easily.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also this should allow an easy bridge to other systems such as RPi / BB / etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This must be simple and small and cheap enough to use in hobby / dev / prod environments and allow (in priority order):
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) I2C expansion.
>>>>> 2) In-Circuit Programming of AVR.
>>>>> 3) One-Wire expansion.
>>>>> 4) Serial off-take, eg for CLI interaction.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The connection should ideally be keyable or at least not cause instant destruction if reversed for example.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Suggestion:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 14-way (2x6) pin stackable (pins or socket on board, suggestions please, RPi is pins).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 0.1" pitch to be easy for DIY shields, eg with Veroboard as I just did for my RPi.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Following pin pattern:
>>>>> 
>>>>> MISO * .. * 3V3 (Vcc)
>>>>> SCK * .. * MOSI
>>>>> nRST * .. * GND
>>>>> nIRQ * .. * nSC
>>>>> SCL * .. * SDA
>>>>> RX * .. * TX
>>>>> N/C * .. * DQ
>>>>> 
>>>>> a) N/C means No Contact and can be used to key the connector.
>>>>> b) RX and TX are protected by 10k series resistors from AVR.
>>>>> c) nRST (input to main board) is active low and is pulled up to 3V3/Vcc with 10K series resistor at AVR.
>>>>> d) SCL and SDA are pulled up at AVR with 4K7 resistors to 3V3/Vcc.
>>>>> e) 3V3 can be anywhere from 1V8 to 3V6 absolute; 2V to 3V6 operating.
>>>>> f) nIRQ (input to main board) is active low and is pulled up to 3V3/Vcc with a 10K--47K nominal resistor and a 1K series resistor: this should be driven with open collector/drain driver only.
>>>>> g) nSC (output from main board) is the active low select for an SPI device on the bus, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Features:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) Top 6 pins can be used directly with 6-pin AVR programmer.
>>>>> 2) Rest of pins carry I2C (SDA, SCL), OneWire (DQ) and serial (RX, TX, protected by 10k series resistors)
>>>>> 3) If entire connector rotated boards unlikely to be destroyed instantly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bit more on (3): RX and TX are safe to short to GND or 3V3 or anything else, nRST safe to short to either rail, DQ/SCA/SCL safe to short to GND.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Note: see alternatives such as http://www.tag-connect.com/ for SPI/ICP part.
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